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Robert G.'s avatar

The issue is that terms like "merit" are not objective and is difficult to compare. For example, male and female marines do not actually meet the same rigorous standards:

https://www.marines.com/become-a-marine/requirements/physical-fitness.html

A male recruit must be able to do 6 laps in 13:30, while a female recruit must be able to do 6 laps in 15:00.

Some defenders of this double standard would argue that a 15:00 minute woman has equal merit as a 13:30 man, because they are showing an equal amount of "grit" or that the different times indicate similar heart health or other indirectly measured attributes (similar to how people of different heights are obese at different weights). But if that's the case, then having different expectations for running is not a double standard at all. However, requiring women to run the same speed as men would exclude some women of equal "grit" or underlying fitness so that's an unfair double standard.

If there was a debate about what time a female recruit should be required to get, both sides could say that they were moderate and agreed with your compromise position, while their opponent was extreme. That's probably why these debates tend to go in circles. It gets even more muddled when talking about something too abstract to be measured with a stopwatch.

(This conversation can also go in circles by arguing about specific physical tests but the AFCT also takes gender and age into account for scoring. I'm most familiar with the debate when it comes up while hiring firefighters, which always causes a spat of peevish letters to the editor)

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CDR Salamander's avatar

Thanks for reading, and just a few notes for 'ya.

1. I started DivThu in the Bush43 administration...as I have said before, this is (well, was) a bipartisan problem.

2. As per #1, there are 20 years of writing on the topic on my OG Blog and my Substack, some of your assumptions are incomplete.

3. I'll take 75/80, but for reference: I was pro-repeal of DADT before President Obama was, pro-decriminalization of weed (I'm GenX, so I prefer that term) since Reagan was CINC, have been an environmentalist since in middleschool when Carter was CINC, have been a volunteer for conservation organizations for decades, have had zero issue with women serving since I first put on the uniform in the 1980s, again when Reagan was CINC, and became anti-interventionist (when possible) since I realized what I was part of post-911...those and a few other items used to have me called a liberal...so...OK. As for my record on DJT, a search of my X TL and blog will answer that question rather quickly. But again AD, thank you for reading and doing your best to decipher my incomplete musings. I hope you have a great 2025.

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