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Arie's avatar

I wrote a response of sorts.

https://substack.com/@ariearie1/note/p-159193397?r=1awqmv

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While I can understand the NATO component of Russia's interests in the way you describe it here, there are some historical oddities that leave me sort of ambivalent to it ultimately:

1) NATO expansion had been, at pretty much every point, done with at least some minimum level of consultation with Russia. To the point that Putin had reportedly claimed that he was told Russia might one day join NATO themselves. He reportedly even asked to do so, but wanted to skip all the actual steps required for it.

2) Russia threatened Ukraine with existential oblivion over the EU trade deal that ultimately resulted in the Maidan protests. I know you said Putin sees these EU-aligned moves as all part of the same set of threats, but I also think it starts to get hard to rationally calculate which of them are going to provoke the Bear into murderous conquest when something like a trade deal incites threats of existential oblivion. Under this kind of calculus, ANY overtures by Ukraine toward the EU would be indistinguishable as a causality, so why focus on NATO when it was the EU trade deal that Russia has in actual reality threatened Ukraine? NATO membership by Ukraine was pretty much dead as a domestic and practical matter for the forseeable future, especially after Russia invaded Crimea. It was not especially popular domestically, at least not enough to make actual material progress toward, and was impractical on NATO's side since you can't join NATO when you're actively in conflict (plus a few other problems like corruption, etc).

3) Russia has already had NATO members on it's border. States that it has an actual history of military intervention in (Baltics, etc). I get the cultural reasons you've outlined here might make Ukraine special, but ultimately all this seems to boil down to is "Russia is a failed Empire and is embarrassed about that fact, and has a case of insecurity regarding how that makes it look both domestically and internationally, so they tried to take some of it back to prove to everyone they could still exert power". Under that understanding, if it weren't NATO it would have been something else, like an EU trade deal. In fact, I'm at this point pretty convinced that Putin made his decision to conquer all of Ukraine in 2014, and was just biding his time and taking what he could until building up the strength to go for the whole. Maidan proved to Putin that Ukraine would not stay peacefully under Russia's influence, so it had to be pacified.

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